
This brilliant young man, suffered from depression for 12 years. Finally he got so tired of keeping the depression a secret that he decided to tell everyone he knew in one fell swoop, by making a video (below) and posting it on Facebook! The video went viral! He has been asked to speak on talk shows and radio shows in Ireland. He is an eloquent spokesman for people who suffer from depression, or any mental illness. I was fortunate enough to speak with him and recorded this interview.
Samina: Hi Doug, so wonderful to be speaking with you! Just wanted to get your okay. Iām going to post your interview, this interview on my blog bipolar1blog and on the HuffPost blog I am now blogging on. Is that fine?
Doug: Yes. Brilliant!
1) Samina: Great! After suffering from depression for 10 years, what made you make your video and put it on FB?
Doug: I suppose for me, it was a weight off my shoulders. I was living two different lives, and no one knew what I was going through. That alone was hard, having a secret for so long, without your best friends or your extended family to know, thatās a hard thing to do, even my best friend. I just wanted to let everybody know, it scared the hell out of me! I thought it would be easier if I put it on Facebook. I work in social media and marketing, so I thought Iād make a video and put it online. For me, telling everyone was harder than making a video, and putting it on line. It was easy to make the video, tell my story, press post, close the laptop and walk away. So then I told everyone, my friends knew, colleagues Iād met online, everybody, people Iāve met throughout the years, various clubs and teams, everybody! It was an easy way for me to tell everybody. Thatās why I did it, I needed to get the weight off my shoulders, I needed to tell everybody, not just a handful of people! It was easier, I felt better that everybody knew, not just my close friends!
Samina: Right, you told the whole world, basically, literally the whole world! Everyone knows now!
Doug: Yeah. Yeah, thatās scary, but itās also amazing, that message reached everyone! That the message traveled from Ireland to America to Canada, to Australia, wherever, basically everywhere.
Samina: Yes, amazing, everywhere!
Doug: Yes, that people have taken comfort in it, that was a great thing, that it may have helped others. It took one video for four minutes to help somebody else, then thatās amazing as well.
2) Samina: Were you feeling better at the time when you made the video?
Doug: Ummm, no, Iām still on antidepressants everyday. And today I went to see my psychologist. And Iām still with him, Iām seeing him again in two weeks, and two weeks after that. This is a journey for me. I wasnāt feeling better but I was feeling more comfortable and somewhat confident in myself, that I knew that this was the right thing to do for me and it was my next step. It may not be the right thing for other people, but I feel it canāt make it any worse to talk about it, so I hope thatās the case. So Iām not better, the video has made me, maybe, better, and itās my next step, and Iāve taken that step. Now, I am discovering what my trigger points are that bring me down and being more confident within myself and kind of accepting myself for who I am. Iām so happy I did this because I needed to move forward and help myself.
3) Samina: Itās sometimes the case that young men have a hard time accepting that they are sick because it means admitting weakness. I had a little brother who couldnāt accept that he had bipolar disorder and eventually he got so depressed that he committed suicide. Huge, giant loss in our lives, he was 26 years old. Young men have a difficult time admitting they are sick, or ill, or imperfect. It is a time when you are supposed to be young and strong. Evolution has sort of imprinted that on your brain, society accepts it of you, and now, because of your video, itās going to make it easier for other young men to come out and talk about their mental health issues and seek help. Youāve become a role model. How does that make you feel?
Doug: Yeah if that happens, thatās amazing! Thatās such a hard won feeling. But itās not just young men, and youāre right what you say about young men and evolution, we are meant to be young and strong, we are meant to show a strong exterior. Itās not ok to not be ok. I just think women are so much braver than men in this regard, to open up like they do. Their friendships are so much deeper. They get more from their friendships than men, men just donāt talk to other men. I went 12 years without talking. I canāt be the one preaching but… But if it helps men, thatās brilliant!
And regarding your brother, itās so sad to hear, 26 years old. In Ireland they say and you said it yourself, I donāt like the expression ācommit suicide,ā you commit a crime, and what your brother was going through, you just donāt know, feeling so much pain, and fear. And itās just something that, some people refer to it as a selfish act, itās not! Youāre not thinking about anybody else, you canāt think about anybody else! Youāre thinking the world will be better without you. Itās just such a horrible place to be! And I just think, as hard as it is, we need to talk about it, because if we talk about it, weāll find out, itāll help. It may not help everyone, but itāll help. I just donāt think it can make it worse.
Samina: Talking definitely helps! All my friends have always known that I have bipolar 1 disorder and like you said, weāve always talked about it.
Doug: Thatās an amazing thing. Such a brave thing!
Samina: Now I have a blog so everyone knows (laughing.)
Doug: My friend, Ćanna Walsh, has a blog about bipolar, I shared it on Facebook. He started blogging without two or three years after being diagnosed, I told him he is so brave!
Samina: Oh good, Iāll have to take a look.
Doug: Yes, my friendās a great hulking Irish guy, heās in phenomenal shape, heās so intelligent, just so brave. Itās so amazing that so many more people around the world, like yourself, are writing about your feelings and putting it out there.
Samina: Yes, you know I never wanted to be the spokesperson for this illness, but thatās just what happened…
Doug: Yes, thatās amazing! Iām not the poster boy or spokesperson for this illness, but if it helps… I just hope this helps.
Samina: I think you are now, you sort of unintentionally made yourself the spokesperson for young men, and itās a good thing, a very good thing!
4) Samina: You said youād been suffering from depression for 10 years. Can you tell me how it began? And if you donāt want to answer this one, if itāll take you to a bad spot, you donāt have to answer it.
Doug: No, Iāve left myself open for the last two weeks. I donāt mind answering any questions, I would have told you if I did. When I was 15, I developed an eating disorder and I lost about 6 stone (84 lbs!!!) in 5-6 months. Then my parents became aware of it, and I went to the doctors and nutritionists, then I went to a psychiatrist, from that point on I started seeing a psychiatrist weekly and found out that this was a little deeper than just an eating disorder. One thing about having body dysmorphia was I was going through something I couldnāt explain. I was in a dark place, I didnāt like myself. I had an amazing family, I had everything I ever needed. I felt really privileged. Plus for me, depression isnāt when things arenāt going fine, itās when everything is well but I just couldnāt see that. A lot of people said what depression, youāre great at school, or youāve got great friends and family, and I play sports, and Iām sociable and Iām popular, whatever. But, that doesnāt come into play for a lot of people, it certainly didnāt come into play for me. Just having a hard time, kind of pushing myself into a corner, alone and itās dark and you just donāt want to get out of bed or meet your friends, it’s just a battle. And the last ten years it just got worse, wondering when youāre in that corner, thereās only one way out. That way will really scares you. But itās a solution. And I just had to shake myself off, pull myself out of that dark, dark place, and I had a moment that I have to ring my doctor, that Iām not ok anymore.
Samina: Good for you! You realized it! And also when you have the flu and you feel bad, people donāt say: Oh why do you feel bad, you have a beautiful home, you have a beautiful wife/husband/children, you have a wonderful job. Just look at how many wonderful things you have, why do you feel bad? Well itās because you have the flu! And the same thing goes for when your have depression, you feel bad because you have an illness called depression, all those wonderful things donāt take away the effects of the illness!
5) Samina: It must have been so difficult. How did you cope with it as a teenager? As an adult? Did you have a support system? Did you confide in anyone at all? Were you seeing a doctor? You know you might have even lost weight because you were in a depression, people lose weigh because they donāt have an appetite.
Doug: No, I had an appetite, I just didnāt keep my food down (laughing.) Yes I had the support of my mom, and my dad and my sister. They knew I was feeling depressed, they took me to the doctor. So I had great support. That was amazing to have such great support.
Samina: That’s great, some people don’t have that.
6) Samina: It is being discovered that the immune system may be intimately involved in the development and the continuance of mental illness. Are there any autoimmune illnesses in you or your family?
Doug: Yes. Iāve been diagnosed in 2012 with something called Crohnās disease.
Samina: Wow! The intestines and your brain are so connected!
Doug: I donāt know much about it, but my father had asthma when he was a child.
7) Samina: What would you say to a young man who is suffering from depression now, but who is afraid to talk about it?
Doug: I’d tell him firstly not to be ashamed, donāt have any kind of shame. Itās ok not to feel ok (!) And if youāre not talking to someone, Iād highly recommend either some family or a friend, or someone they work with or maybe even someone they donāt know that well and see occasionally. Just to talk about it and seeking professional help will help. In America or anywhere where they have health organizations, I just think it is so important for young males and females to talk about it.
8) Samina: How does it feel to be open about your illness, with all your friends and family? How have most people reacted?
Doug: It feels amazing! I donāt regret it for one second! Itās such a weight off my shoulders. Everybodyās reacted so positively! The response has been overwhelming at times, but so heartwarming that I donāt have to hide from my friends and family and can talk to my friends and especially mom and dad. My mom and dad were there for all the 12 years, but now they can kind of see the light at the end of the tunnel is on! Now that everybody knows, weāre not alone anymore. We can help each other and we know what each person is going through. Feel the support and the love.
9) Samina: You have automatically become a mental health advocate, do you realize that?
Doug: (Laughs) No not really! But itās ok if people see me as that.
Samina: So, where do you go from here? A book? A blog? A movie?
Doug: (Laughing) Yeah, a movie would be great! From here, itās about me, about getting through this, and getting stronger every single day, and in the meantime. on my journey, being contacted by people doing TV, or speeches, or radio, or speaking on the News. Well thatās amazing because if I can help myself while helping other, well, thatās what I want to do.
10) Samina: Physical exercise, good nutrition, meditation, therapy, good friends, and of course medication all help with depression and mental illness generally. Phew! Itās a full time job! How many of these are you in favor of doing?
Doug: Everyday I take medication, I do a lot of exercise, it helps me, it might help others or it might not, but it definitely helps me! Going for that run, or going to the gym, lifting weights, relieves pressure, or if youāre down or anxious or mad about something, going to the gym and letting off some steam really helps. And medication, for me it helps, but itās not for everybody, itās sort of trial and error, some of them affected me badly, some didnāt help me and some did help me. And some people donāt agree with medication at all, But for me itās definitely helped.
Samina: Yes, medication is good, of course, and yes it may take some trial and error, but the right medication helps a lot!
Doug: And nutrition, if you eat well, you feel well and thatās going to help.
Samina: And do you meditate at all?
Doug: I use an App called Mindfulness, I think itās called Mindfulness, thatās the name that came to mind, if itās not, Iāll get back to you. Itās a mediation App, it takes 5 minutes a day, 10 minutes a day, I use it a couple of times a week, and itās good.
Samina: I use an App called Headspace.
Doug: Oh Headspace, Headspace, Headspace, Headspace, thatās it!!! I donāt know where I got Mindfulness from!
(We laughed and laughed and laughed.)
Samina: And those are all my questions. Would you like to add anything.
Doug: No, I think that covered it all.
Samina: Thank you so much. It was so lovely to talk to you. Iāll post this on my blog, send it to the Huffington Post, and post it on your Facebook page.
Doug: Cheers, brilliant!
Dougās Facebook Video.
this is such detailed questions with great answers. This is a great interview to read and learn valuable factors…
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Thank you so much Mihran! Your positive words mean a lot to me!
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Good interview! I am still learning to accept myself and that who I am also includes my illness. Nice to read about another person who has overcome the stigma and been so open about what they are going through. This interview was very inspiring, thank you for doing it and posting it.
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Thank you so much for reading and commenting! Here’s something I wrote to another friend and maybe it’ll help you as well: “Always remember it’s an illness and just like you wouldn’t be ashamed to have diabetes, you cannot be ashamed of having depression/bipolar! It’s an illness, a biochemical imbalance, it’s not our fault. In fact we have to be so much stronger than people who don’t have depression or bipolar, because we have to fight these illnesses with such strength of mind and body. We are not weak, we are strong, and we are proud of ourselves. Just something I needed to say to you.”š Hugs my friend.
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Thank you!
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Very welcome!
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